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Devaraj Sandberg's avatar

Yeah, good call. Looks to me like Britain might be the "first one down" - the first Western country to visibly collapse in the eyes of the world. That will have quite some repercussions. Like here in Turkey, all middle-class Turks basically fantasize constantly about being like a European country. Gets on my nerves! They may have to soon find another culture to idealise.

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James's avatar

Might not seem like it, but that's a good thing, it means we don't try expend more energy on keeping up appearances. Will be interesting to watch the response from other nations as to whether or not they will give us handouts (likely).

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Devaraj Sandberg's avatar

Yes, there is a kind of boldness to it. First one down, first one back up. Maybe!

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enfanterribleidiotsavantgarden's avatar

I understand, this is a common inferiority complex in third world countries. Nobody escapes, in politics it is very obeservable, the right leaning ones obviously want all the homogenizing "material progress" shamelessly, while the left progressives want the piece of the cake too, but they tend to "celebrate the cultures" (for example, the "black culture") with their ministries, universities etc. The way they do it is so artificial, boring, instrumental and institutionalized that anyone sane will feel the urge to vomit.

In the end the only ones who maintain the culture and traditions (in third world countries) are those in the margins, the common folk just living their lives, without being bothered and without any need to be self conscious of that. And those people I shall add are increasingly less, unfortunately. The tits of Satan are claiming them.

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Anton Norwid's avatar

Coming from Poland and moved to UK, things are already preferable. Eastern Europe has experienced large scale decade of collapse (1990s), and things are still far better socially and culturally then they were during this period.

The fact is more that the extremeties of luxury experienced in UK and most western nations were so far that they caused incredible instability and over-reliance on rent as source of income. I think the main consequence will be reshuffling of power in Britain and in most Western nations. The developing nations will enter a very strange period soon, given that they had the best 20-30 years in their histories by simply catching-up, but the issue is, the thing they are catching-up to is no longer there.

Just focus on immediate surroundings and joy of survival. Luxury periods never last, a bit humurous that 1999 turned into the peak of Western civilization.

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James's avatar

I am in 100% agreement. Our collapse is in large part due to our understanding of what a 'normal' material life should look like.

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enfanterribleidiotsavantgarden's avatar

What is worrying with the worsening of general conditions is authoritarianism asserting itself, be it as the state and the organized system it is part of tightening its grips or small sectarian neurotic gated communities.

War is also in the horizon. Macron said he doesn't rule out sending western civilized cannon fodder to the front. War is a sheer safety valve.

Miguel Amorós talks about what will possibly happen and what is to be done in this chaotic scenario (he suggests autonomous skilled communities)

https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-rise-and-fall-miguel-amoros

Now to get more philosophical, we have to "accept" it for sure. To come in terms with the tragedy, a fact Kenneth Rexroth repeatedly emphasised, I highly recommend him.

I will also let this african folktale speak for itself:

https://www.oxfordreference.com/display/10.1093/oi/authority.20110803100103574

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Early Morn's avatar

Good advice. Look into “Industry Life Cycle” as what you’re talking about is common in business, where often companies last only years/decades instead of the decades/centuries states live. The collapse portion of the cycle is often the most profitable, if it is managed correctly. Since you don’t need to invest in the current system, you can exploit to the maximum to extract as much value as possible and transfer that value to a growth industry. On a personal level, it’s exactly the advice you’re giving; find ways to take what you can from the old system and invest it into skills that are valuable in local communities or will survive deglobalization.

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